A meeting of experts can make or break a case, and can destroy months of lawyers’ work... | DDLS Issue 73

The Real Value Of The Meeting Of Experts


It is ORDERED that the experts of like discipline shall meet, and shall discuss matters relevant to their opinions in this matter, and shall produce a Joint Statement, setting out those matters on which they are agreed, and those matters on which they have failed to agree, with a summary of their reasons for disagreeing.

A standard step in the proceedings?  Yes, of course.  Pure routine?  Absolutely not!   A meeting of experts can make or break a case, and can destroy months of lawyers’ work in an afternoon.  This is where your chosen expert shows his/her true mettle, and earns his fee.

If you are sharp-eyed (and which lawyer is not?) you will have noticed two things.  Firstly, I am talking about meetings of experts, whereas the rules talk about discussions between experts – it isn’t necessary for a face to face meeting to occur.  And secondly, the typical order above requires there only to be reasons for failure to agree.  The Criminal Procedure Rules talk about reasons for agreement as well as disagreement, which is an interesting idea.  But we must be talking about the Civil Procedure Rules (CPR), so let us stay with CPR.

So we have had exchange of witness statements, and then of expert reports, and a meeting has been ordered.  What does the expert do then, poor thing?  The answer is three words: preparation, preparation, preparation.  For the expert this meeting is just as important as the trial.  Why?  Because the joint statement, setting out what has been agreed, and specifying why the experts have not agreed other issues, is intended to shorten the list of issues to be tried; if the experts are not in contention, what is the point of airing all the arguments again in open court?


Yet here we have a contradiction: although the experts might agree something, and although that may shorten the trial, “Where experts reach agreement on an issue during their discussions, the agreement shall not bind the parties unless the parties expressly agree to be bound by the agreement.”  CPR 35.12(5).

Tricky, eh?  The experts are ordered to set out in writing what they have agreed, yet the parties are not to be bound by it.  Why?  Because the experts can talk only within their own science (Foulks –v- Chard [1783]) and must not agree something which counsel may wish to argue.  They are not there to “knock up a deal”.  And this is where your truly experienced expert comes into his own, with a clear idea of what he may discuss and what must be left to counsel and the court.  Examples:


  • if two opposing accountant experts disagree on the Bolam test – what the reasonably competent accountant should have done in particular circumstances – they can put into their joint statement what they believe that normal accountant should have done, but they cannot agree, or even agree to differ, on whether this particular accountant fell short.  That is for the judge.  
  • Or if there is contention about the basis on which calculations, say of lost profit after a factory fire, are based, they can agree each other’s calculations “numbers as numbers”, but must not agree the amount of lost profit.  In that circumstance, the furthest they could take it would be to agree a formula for calculating lost profit, which may be applied to the figures ultimately decided by the court.

But back to preparation

An agenda ought to be agreed in advance.  I have a pro forma agenda which I try to send to the other expert beforehand, and agree just as an outline.  The court may specify the issues it wishes the experts to discuss (CPR 35.12(2)) and instructing solicitors may do likewise if they wish, but my experience after literally thousands of expert reports and scores of expert meetings is that this never happens: expert reports have been exchanged, the areas of disagreement have become clear, and those areas go straight into the agenda.

The pro forma also includes such basics as where and when we are to meet, who is to attend (lawyers?  No thank you!), and who is to take the minutes.  Actually, that isn’t a basic at all; it’s an important decision.  I remember one very difficult expert meeting where we reached that topic, and my opponent (a notorious defence expert, thankfully now retired) produced his manager and said he would take the minutes.  I agreed, provided it was accepted that he was working for us both, and provided that I received a photocopy of his notes as soon as the meeting ended.  Well, in the confusion to end a full day’s meeting, packing up the bankers’ boxes and so on, I didn’t get my photocopies. When I asked for them the next day, the manager said that he couldn’t release them until his boss had edited them (!!) and he had gone on a business trip to USA for two weeks.  That two weeks took us to within 21 days of trial.  And when I eventually received the minutes, the common issues and my reasons for matters not agreed ran to 8 pages, and he had inserted 27 pages of new argument and figure-work!  It didn’t do his client’s case any good, but it did prevent any chance of settling the case more than 21 days before trial and saving costs.  Not nice!

HAWKINS HERE

When preparing, the experts should consider the medium they will use for discussion: teleconference?  Emails?  Skype?  The old telephone?  I usually prefer face to face – I can assess my opponent, and personalities will come into the discussion; also it is easy to recalculate something on screen there and then, and get a transcript – but costs of course must always be proportionate.

One standard item in my agenda is to confirm which reports each expert has written.  I have even known meetings where one or the other discovers that there are more expert reports than they knew about.  More often, and again a standard item, is to agree that each expert has seen the same documents.  Even though each expert report ought to list all the documents on which that expert’s opinion relies, it is surprising how often the first half hour of an expert meeting has to be spent in photocopying documents which one expert has seen and the other has not.

The experts should agree to settle each issue one by one, sticking to the agenda, and not talking about everything at once and agreeing nothing – it happens!

Lots of things can go wrong at an experts’ meeting.  Here are some examples passed to me by The Academy of Experts, where I am a fellow:

  • Experts agreed a joint statement, but there were a few typos.  One expert said he would edit the statement, but he was then “persuaded” by counsel to make some amendments, which were not noticed by the other expert when the statement was signed.  That expert then tried to withdraw his signature, without success.
  • One expert typed the joint statement on a notebook belonging to the other, and Properties showed that the other had produced it, so that he had difficulty challenging its accuracy.
  • The Academy tell me that experts are frequently told that they must confer with their instructing solicitor before signing anything – very naughty!
  • There are problems with telephone meetings in agreeing who is to take the minutes, and how.
  • A number of experts still seem to have difficulty in understanding the purpose of an experts’ meeting, what they must agree and what must be recorded, particularly with the different requirements of the various procedure rules.

But of course the biggest clanger is Jones –v- Kaney [2011] UKSC 13, the Supreme Court case which saw an end to the expert witness’s immunity from suit in negligence.  That was about an expert meeting, and the signing of the joint statement.  Jones was a road accident victim; Kaney was a consultant clinical psychologist.   A meeting of clinical psychologists was held to agree the extent to which Mr Jones’s accident had brought on PTSD.  The other expert was Dr El-Assra for the defence.  The discussion took place by telephone, and Dr El-Assra produced the joint statement, which was damaging to Mr Jones’s claim.  Miss Kaney signed it without, she said, even reading it.  She said she was under pressure to sign.  Mr Jones sued her for negligence, and won; the age-old protection for expert witness was lost.

Speaking personally, I am not at all concerned about my competence as an expert (and I carry negligence insurance of £5million!).  Kaney performed about as badly as it is possible for an expert to perform, but we are not all like that.  Moral: when choosing an expert, don’t forget that he will probably have to organise and attend a meeting of experts, so choose your expert carefully.  It matters!

Biog:  Chris Makin is one of only 100 or so chartered accountants to become an Accredited Forensic Accountant and Expert Witness – www.icaew.com.  He is also an accredited civil & commercial mediator and an accredited expert determiner.  He has given expert evidence at least 100 times and worked on a vast range of cases over the last 28 years.  For CV, war stories and much more, go to www.chrismakin.co.uk